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Letters to the Editor: Engineering Solution for DPW

August 17, 2011

To the Editor:
Let me clear up some confusion with facts. There are 13 major points of failure with the DPW building. The solutions for the first floor are not isolated to the foundation. According to the recent report that has not been made widely available, the columns, beams, trusses and lack of sheathing are the short list of problems that are above grade. Here is a synopsis:

Columns: “undersized for the proposed loads.” Steel columns are to be attached and the loads are to be supported by them.

Beams: The beams over the doors and the connections of those beams are “not designed to safely support design loads.” These beams will be replaced with stronger ones and connected to the steel columns.

Trusses: The trusses need to be reviewed and braced according to the manufacturer’s specifications. They are not within those specifications now.

Sheathing: There is none. “The gable ends will be sheathed to resist lateral loads.”
There are a lot of problems above ground, according to two engineers. We currently have no lawyer working on this.
The proposed solution for the foundation is unclear whether it will solve the problem. I have asked for a clarification from the architect. I want a longterm solution not a $220,000 patch job.

Problem # 11: Strip footings that support concentrated loads at garage door posts have not been designed to minimize long term differential settlement.
Solution: The use of steel columns in the interior of the building allows for the embedment length required for the columns to be achieved. It will also encompass the area around the existing columns. Based on the soil report, long term differential settlement is a possibility without the use of deep foundation (piles) which are not used.

Soils: The soils report states that the building has settled to date from 1 inch to 5.2 inches. Additional settlement will be .3 inch to 2.6 inches. We should also be ready for isolated settlements (due to pockets of wood) of up to 4 to 12 inches. Let’s think about that. What would your house look like if you’re kitchen sank 6”; It would tear the house apart! We should plan for the worst and hope for the best, not the opposite. That means if we do nothing or the wrong thing that building could experience 19.8 inches of settling in spots according to the Geotechnical report by Daniel Loucks PE.
We have to move forward as I have written in letters but moving forward requires picking a direction based on where you have been. Let’s not repeat mistakes of the past.

Andrew Argenio
Trustee
Cornwall-on-Hudson


Comments:

Andrew! Why don't you just publish the recommendations of the 13 points of failure and let us come to our own conclusions. I don't want to read about a kitchen sink sinking six inches. Please publish the report. either here or on the Village website Thank You.


posted by David DeFreest on 08/17/11 at 4:32 PM

This website has posted letters before. I remember Mr. Protter's August 2007 memorandum explaining the LDC's role in the DPW project, as but one example.

Why not this time?


posted by Jon Chase on 08/17/11 at 5:07 PM

"Please publish the report."

David, I have done a letter that edits down to a useful and readable length (probably 200 words) the gist of the 45-page Geotechnical Report, but because this site allows only one letter a week per writer--which I think is a useful rule--it won't be posted until Sunday. I think it will reveal that some of Andrew Argenio's hysterics are pretty fanciful.


posted by Stephan Wilkinson on 08/17/11 at 5:53 PM

From the Original 1973 McEvilly Soils Report - subsurface materials contained in the top layers are highly compressible in nature and have a very poor bearing capacity (p 3 under "soft stratum") ....The poor soil condition of the soft stratum dictates the need for a pile foundation (p4) ... This report clearly states that the pile requirements must be determined based off the exact building size with both live and dead loads specifically determined ... To keep this off the editors website, anyone who would like to email me for further discussion please do so [email protected]. I would like to thank the editor for her patience on the matter


posted by Melissa Vellone on 08/17/11 at 8:49 PM

Andrew, I see from your letter in the Local today that the fixes you specify seem to be a presumed fait accompli--"This will be done, that will be done..."

How exactly will you be paying for those "Solutions"?


posted by Stephan Wilkinson on 08/19/11 at 10:08 PM

Stephan - You seem confused. Argenio just wrote a letter summarizing the engineering solutions that were presented to the Board by Dave Weibolt recently. Weibolt was contracted in 2010, and was supported by Trustee Edsall.

I understand that you are an intelligent man, but you are not an engineer. Your experience as a pilot does not qualify you to make engineering assessments. As an engineer myself, who has read every report done on that site and project that's been generated since 1973 it boggles my mind how you keep speaking out when you evidently do not comprehend what you are reading. Again, I think we should take this offline and email one another.


posted by Melissa Vellone on 08/20/11 at 11:53 AM

To refer to factual information from an engineering report as fanciful and hysterics is misleading to the public. This building has serious problems according to qualified professionals. I encourage the public to read the full report and educate themselves.


posted by Andrew Argenio on 08/20/11 at 12:11 PM

Okay, the letter is poorly worded, then. I see now that at the very end, it refers once to "the Peak Engineering solution," but everything up to that point is presented as a problem and a solution that the Village, presumably, will undertake. The "Solutions" are phrased "[this] will be done." (My question, by the way, remains: how will we pay for those "Solutions" if they are to be undertaken?)

I see no point in taking this offline and turning it into a private affair. The phone calls and e-mails I've been getting from Village residents make it apparent to me that this has so far been a productive public exchange. Perhaps not to your liking, since the rest of us are amateurs.

And Andrew, I wasn't referring to the reports as "fanciful and hysterics," just your interpretation of them.

Melissa, I'm baffled that as an engineer you refer to a 1973 "Soils Report" as apparent evidence of what's going on under that DPW building nearly 40 years later.

But I guess it's best I leave these decisions to you and Andrew, so I'm done here.


posted by Stephan Wilkinson on 08/20/11 at 4:06 PM

Stephan - I agree with the concept that back and forth conversation is a productive exchange, but the editor has openly expressed dismay at it, and I am trying to respect that.

I do not see how you think that the soil conditions improved since 1973, what do you think has changed? The most I have seen is that an additional 3 feet of material was added to the top of 20 feet of "uncontrolled fill" (from the report you read) - uncontrolled fill means both the content of the fill AND how much it was compressed at the time it was laid - I checked on that.

I also agree, how are we going to pay for this? But that question does not arise from Argenio typing up the report presented this month, it arises because of the people who were in control of this project in 2005.


posted by Melissa Vellone on 08/20/11 at 6:09 PM

I have created a Google Groups page, as per the editors suggestion

COH DPW is the name of the group. It is a public group, and anyone can join


posted by Melissa Vellone on 08/21/11 at 11:39 AM

Aren't all buildings contructed in the Village of Cornwall inspected by their own Building Inspector? Where waa the tax-paid inspector? Is he not to be held accountable for this failure to meet code? Why aren't the builders being held accountable? I haven't seen these issues addressed.


posted by Jennifer McCabe on 08/28/11 at 1:19 AM

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